Blag Banter #20: “Griefing”

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With the recent completion of the 3rd installment of the Hulkageddon last month, @CyberinEVE, author of Hands Off, My Loots!, asks: “Griefing is a very big part of EVE.  Ninja Salvaging, Suicide Ganking, Trolling, and Scamming are all a very large part of the game.  What do you think about all these things?  You can talk about one, or all…but just let us know your overall opinion on Griefing, and any recommendations you may have to change it if you think it’s needed.”

“Griefing”: the act of giving grief.  It is a well known and well deployed tactic in our world of EvE.  In the above question, a player asks what I think about the types of “Griefing” that he lists.  I think that it would be best for me to start with definitions and then move to what I think of them, as I had to took up the definition of one of his terms with respect to the EvE community.

 Ninja Salvaging: A player who has found other players wrecks, typically in a mission environment, and proceeds to salvage what he did not kill.

This tactic was originally used to make money off of other peoples work, most of the time people didn’t salvage their own wrecks anyway as they didn’t realize the potential income from doing so.  It was the intention of the salvager to not be noticed and get away clean; leaving the wreck maker scratching his head.  More recently “Ninja Salvaging” has been used as bait.  The people doing the “Ninja Salvaging” don’t really have any interest in the salvage but are using that as a means get the other player to attack them so that they can attack back without fear of Concord getting involved.

Both of these example may indeed cause grief, but they are both well within the realm of game play in EvE.  And both of these can be guarded against by the same action; which will also save you time.  Instead of going through the whole mission and then coming back when it is done to get your salvage; Salvage as you kill and the Ninja and the Warrior won’t be able to get you or goad you.  Incidentally this type of “Griefing” can take place in any security level but usually takes place in high sec.

Suicide Ganking: the act of allowing concord to blast you to bits so that you can steal someone else’s stuff.

I never really understood this one.  Now don’t get me wrong, I do understand that getting blown up is inevitable however, knowing that it’s coming and not doing anything to avoid it.  I hope getting blown up repeatedly is really worth it.  I know that by scanning a ship you can see what it is carrying but there is no guaranty that the 74 PLEX your target had in its hold will survive the destruction.  “Suicide Ganking” can only occur in High sec as if someone tried to doing in low sec or null sec they would be blasted into the void regardless if they had a timer or not.

Trolling: is the act of one person attempting to gain attention or to cause controversy by any means available. (This is the one that I needed to look up)

The reason I had to look this up is because, well, I never heard this term before; though I have witnessed this in action.  I think that it is useless.  Most of this takes play out of the game by people who spend more time reading about the game than playing it.  You know who I’m talking about.  Those guys on the forums, that aren’t admins or devs, but still have 35,000 posts under their name.  These guys “know” every little detail about the game and what the devs just posted about 2 seconds ago, but in game they are the first to bitch about getting “Ninja Salvaged” and how it’s not actually part of the game.

“Trolling” doesn’t happen much in game as what’s written needs to be a bit more persistant that just in local chat.  That being said doesnt mean that “Trolling” doesn’t occur in game and it can happen anywhere.

Scamming: the act of fooling another player into think they are getting a great deal when in fact they are getting royally boned. (My most favorite and hated of “Griefing”)

It is the most spectacular think in the world of gaming that we are actually allowed to do this.  In not other game I have played was scamming part of the game mechanics.  I say this even though I personally have yet to pull off a good scam and have been scammed on one known occasion.  Does it suck when it happens to you? Yes. Does it suck when your cam doesn’t work? Yes.  Is it really awesome to see your wallet flash with a couple extra million ISK in for only spending a few minutes to fool someone else?  I’ll let you know when it happens.  “Scamming” happens everywhere.

 You may have noticed that whenever you see the word “Griefing” that it is always in quotes.  I do this because the word “Griefing” is not mine nor do I use it.  As some action may indeed cause grief they are part of the game that we all claim to love because of its openness and the wide spread abilities that we have in it.  That if a game truly causes you grief; then why are you still here?

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One Response to Blag Banter #20: “Griefing”

  1. Pingback: Blog Banter 20: Suddenly Ninjas, Hundreds of Them! | TheElitist

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